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Korean War Vets
United States and Republic of Korea seek Korean War Veterans for
The United States Department of Defense and the Republic of Korea are trying to find Korean War Veterans, whether they served in the Canadian Forces or with an allied nation, all veterans of the Korean War are wanted for special recognition.
The United States Department of Defense 60th Anniversary of the Korean War Commemoration Committee was formed in 2011 to mark the Korean War anniversary. The committee’s mandate is to honour the service and sacrifice of all Korean War Veterans. One significant endeavor of the committee is to award an official certificate of appreciation to veterans. The certificate bears the veterans name, comes in a blue card folder and is signed by the US Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta.
In addition to the United State’s official certificate, the Republic of Korea is also actively seeking all Korean War veterans for the award of the Ambassador for Peace Medal. The medal is very impressive, it is suspended from a ribbon around the recipient’s neck, has a presentation medal case with miniature medal, and personalized certificate.
To be eligible for the Certificate, the veteran must have served in the Korean War during the period June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953. The special medal is available to those that served during June 25, 1950 to March 1955.
If you meet the above criteria and like to apply for the certificate and/or Ambassador for Peace Medal, and you have not already received these official awards, please provide the following information,
Full Name, Wartime Rank, Service Number, Date of Birth, Unit or Ship’s Name, Mailing Address, Phone Number, and confirm if you have been on a government revisit tour to Korea and if you are a member of the Korea Veterans Association of Canada.
Please send your information to KW60 Ambassador Guy Black, C/O 944 Dundonald Drive, Port Moody, BC, V3H1B7 or email Korea19501953@yahoo.com
Received from Al Truelove by e-mail - RCOC Corp Ties
Due to the overwhelming response we had to the first order of RCOC ties, the museum now has an in-house supply of
17 ties for those RCOC vets that may have missed it the first time around.
The ties are $20 ea and may be ordered
through me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Those who wish to order can send me an email and I'll give them my address.
Received from the RCOC Museum Al Truelove
Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen;
A while ago, a lady fm the US, accompanied by her son, showed up at the Museum. She said that her GPS has directed her to the Museum and she wondered if they could have a tour. Andrew Gregory, our Curator, gave them a tour in his usual exemplary fashion and thought nothing else about it.
It turns out that the lady in question, her husband and her son are world travellers and their forte is 'museums'. As a result of this tour, the link below has appeared on the Internet.
I not only send this as an item of interest but also to show you that the
Museum is very much 'alive and kicking' and is finding
itself 'in the news' as it were.
I not only send this as an item of interest but also to show you that the Museum is very much 'alive and kicking' and is finding itself 'in the news' as it were.
I hope in the near future to bring you up to date on the issues we are addressing to bring the Museum into the 21st century.
Received this e-mail from Al Truelove - This could be big!
----- Message Forwarded on Wed, 27 May 2009 10:50:59 -0400 -----
Subject: FW: Query from the UK
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:16:06 +0200
Good day, I was recently contacted by The Royal Army Ordnance Corps Association (RAOC) here in the UK. They have in their possession a platinum diamond brooch shaped in the form of their Corps Badge; it was handed over to them by Princess Anne in 2007. It had formerly been given to the RAOC by Her Majesty some time ago (1994?), then turned back over to Princess Anne. The RAOC believes that it was originally a gift from the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps (RCOC) to Her Majesty QE II, possibly presented at the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway in 1959. The funds to purchase the brooch are believed to have been raised by the Officers and NCOs of the RCOC.
According to the RAOC, it is valued at approx £25000 today.
The question that the RAOC Association is asking is who should the brooch be given to? One suggestion is your museum in Montreal. Apparently the Director (LCol ret'd Al Truelove) is a long time friend of the President of the RAOC Association council, MGen (ret'd) Burden. They served together in the BAOR.
Based on the fact that the brooch was paid for by the Officers and NCOs of the RCOC, it would seem appropriate that it be returned to the RCOC for safe keeping and display. Both Buckingham Palace and Princess Anne's office are interested in the outcome.
If you have any other suggestions, or wish to consult with the RCOC Association (cc'd), please do so. I would be pleased to communicate your findings / suggestions to the RAOC Association, and then step back to allow the two of you to sort out the details.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Army Adviser| Conseiller de l'armée
CDLS(London) | E-MLFC(Londres)
VCDS Group | GCAE-MD
National Defence | Défense nationale
Ottawa, Canada K1A 0K2
From: Al Truelove:
Dear Colonel Cotten;
I'm replying to your very welcome email that the Curator has forwarded to me. I'll try to keep in sequence.
The brooch in question was presented to HM in 1958 by the Officers and NCOS of the RCOC when HM graciously accepted the appointment of Colonel in Chief of the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps. It is the crest of the RCOC.
We have in the RCOC Museum, an oil painting of HM wearing this brooch, which was painted by Hyndman in Nov 58, to mark this auspicious occasion. The RCOC Museum is the logical resting place for this valuable possesion.
Gen Burden was my CO when I served on Exchange with RAOC in HQ 1 ARMD Div BAOR and we are still in contact on this means today.
I am a member of RAOConLine in the UK and most of the members of the RAOC Assn are also members.
Although I do not know who contacted you from the RAOC Assn; I would request you forward the fol to them/him;
'The Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps Museum accepts with honour and privilege the gift of a personal possesion of
HM and into its safekeeping. The brooch will be displayed with the dignity and security it deserves.'
LCol Al Truelove (Retd)
The RCOC Museum
base to build memories on
Goudswaard, The Chilliwack Times
November 11, 2008
does it take to a make a book? It's a question I never would have been able to
answer five months ago.
I feel like an expert of sorts having just recently sent Remembering CFB
Chilliwack, A Photo Retrospective off to the printers.
been a long and rewarding process, and, with any luck, we'll have the book back
in our office and ready for you to pick up in early December.
front cover of Remembering CFB, A Photo Retrospective. The book will be ready
for pickup in early December.
had originally hoped the high-quality hardcover book would be ready for
Remembrance Day. As neophytes to the book publishing business, we were slightly
over-optimistic about the due date. So much more went into making the book than
we could have ever anticipated--a labour of love to be sure.
while the book is slightly off schedule, we felt it was better to get it right,
than to rush. That being said, we realize it won't be perfect. Some submitted
photos had very little information provided. Some information was incorrect from
the start, some because it was second-hand, some because time simply stole or
replaced the correct memory. In the end, it's the photos that count and the
memories they produce. The book is not purported to be a comprehensive,
chronological history of CFB Chilliwack. Rather, it is a collection photographs
and captions selected and written to reflect the flavour of everyday life at the
thing's for sure, the project wouldn't have been possible without the
participation of those who sent in photographs and those who helped us to
identify what was going on in some of the more obscure submissions. In the end,
we amassed about 400 photos. Most from those who still live in Chilliwack, but
many from all over Canada, and indeed, the world.
hope Remembering CFB Chilliwack, A Photo Retrospective will be like peering into
a family album. It is that sense of family, that indescribable bond that exists
between military people that made working on this project so fascinating. They
are, to say the least, a proud bunch. CFB Chilliwack lives in the collective
memory of all those who served and worked on its hallowed grounds.
few have more passion for all things CFB Chilliwack than Jim Harris. Without
him, this book never gets off the ground. I laugh every time I read the way he
signs off his e-mails: Jim Harris, Canadian Military History Whisperer. But it's
true; the man has a near encyclopedic knowledge of all things military. As
president of the CFB Chilliwack Historical Society, he can be found most days
huddled around a table in the basement of the Masonic Temple. There, along with
a dedicated group of society members, the real work of keeping the base's
history alive is done.
have many fond memories of this book project, and they all involve the people
that took the time to call or pay a visit to our office to share with me photos
and stories of life on the base. People like Steven Sebelley, who told me
stories about bridge building and swimming in the Rosedale Slough in a voice I
could have swore belonged to a 30-year-old man and not someone who purported to
Perhaps the neatest experience was talking to sisters Rose Setter and Olive Chicoyne. Their sense of pride for their father and brother, both military veterans, was palpable through the telephone line. They were desperate to provide me with the correct dates and information for captions to photos they had sent. They were so proud of their family's military history and for a chance to be part of the book. They apologized for calling back so often with new information. I was simply honoured they would care so much.
I am forever grateful to all those who pre-ordered Remembering CFB Chilliwack, A Photo Retrospective. Your trust and faith in our little project has meant the world.
- Remembering CFB Chilliwack, A Photo Retrospective will arrive in early December. A notice in the Chilliwack Times will be posted alerting those who have pre-ordered the book to come and pick up their copy. Those wishing to secure a copy of the book can still do so by calling our office at 604-792-9117 or by visiting our website at www.chilliwacktimes.com.
Received from Gord Gedge by e-mail
from the FSNA website
November 04, 2008 Pension Increase for 2009 The Treasury Board has announced that the increase in indexing to be applied to Public Service, Canadian Forces, and RCMP pensions in January 2009 will be 2.5 per cent. ...
Al Judson by e-mail
Received From Al Judson by e-mail
I am Al Judson, archivist for the King's Own Calgary Regiment. In May of 2007 the regiment placed a plaque in remembrace of the battle to cross the Gari and ultimately break the Gustav line. In particular we paid tribute to a young RCOC office who played a major role in the success of the battle. The 14th Canadian Armoured Regiment (Calgary
Regiment) was committed to support the 19th Indian Brigade across the river. The task of getting a bridge across was given to the RCOC officer commanding the 61st LAD attached to the 14th.
He devised a method where a Bailey bridge was assembled on the top of a turretless Sherman tank. The carrier tank was driven to the river's edge. This all done under heavy enemy fire. A pusher tanker attached to the rear of the bridge then pushed the bridge out over the river.
The carrier tank was then driven into the river allowing the bridge to drop into place. (See photo 1}
That officer was Captain Anthony Kingsmill (see photo 2). He was able to attend the ceremony.
The third photo is the plaque that was unveiled.
The fourth photo is of the three officers involved in the crossing.
Left to right
Capt. John Whitton OC Recce Troop 14th CAR Capt. Tony Kingsmill OC 61st L.A.D.
Major Fred Ritchie OC B Squadron 14th CAR
The bridge first designated the Plymouth Bridge was renamed the Kingsmill Bridge by the Regiment
I thought maybe interested.
The following are excerpts from e-mails requesting help to find a sculpture her father had done for the Corps.
This is from Maria and you should email her directly if you have any info.
My father, Giacomo Cosentino, was a musician (clarinet) for the RCOC band from 1956 to 1968. He passed away October 31, 2000.
Besides being a musician and composer, he was an accomplished sculptor. His last sculpture was a wooden peacock commissioned by the RCOC.
I would like to know if the piece is in display somewhere. I would appreciate any information you could give me as to the location of the sculpture.
I found a photo that my dad took of the sculpture. It was done in 1964 (you can see the RCOC emblem on the top). I think it was about 12 inches by 16 inches and had a long wooden-carved stand ....probably 3-4 feet in height. I think my dad said it was sent to Ottawa (not sure)
Thank you for looking into this for me.. Please keep me informed.
Looking at the picture again, it probably had a lamp shade on top of the sculpture. The trunk probably was on a stand with an electric connection.
Received this from several sources by e-mail (thanks to all)
GOVERNOR GENERAL ANNOUNCES WOUND MEDAL
Aug 29, 2008 OTTAWA
–– Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, Governor General and
Commander-in-Chief of Canada, is pleased to announce that Her Majesty Queen
Elizabeth II approved the creation of the Sacrifice Medal.
The medal will be awarded to military personnel, members of allied forces or Canadian civilians working under the authority of the Canadian Forces, who suffered wounds or death caused by hostile action, on or after October 7, 2001.
“Our soldiers deserve our utmost respect and deepest gratitude,” said the Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. “This medal recognizes the valued contribution of those who sacrificed their health or their lives while serving Canada.” Applications will be processed through the usual military chain of command. An inaugural presentation ceremony will take place at Rideau Hall at a later date.
Also click on http://www.gg.ca/honours/medals/hon04-sm_e.asp for the official announcement.
Received by e-mail from Al Truelove
Subject: RCOC Ties
Hi Gord and Bill;
I have a source for subj. Thing is I have order a minimum of 20. Cost is
Could I pls ask that you put this out on your net Gord and in the Corps
website Bill to see if there are pers interested in purchasing one.
They can order through me at
email@example.com so I can
get an idea of quantity.
This is definatley not the Russ Watson I remember?????? Seems to me I heard him preach short hair commercials at a gathering of Command Chiefs in Lahr some years back????? Could this be the same guy????
Received from Al Truelove via e-mail
Good afternoon Gentlemen;
The aim of this email is to inform you that after 45 years of loyal service to HM in the Canadian Army/The Canadian Forces/ and as Curator of the RCOC Museum and
a stalwart of the RCOC and Airborne families with over 750 descents; Phil has decided to pack his chute for one last jump. Phil will retire on 29 Aug 08.
Arrangements are in the preliminary stages for a farewell to Phil in the Montreal area, ie 25 CFSD. When known these details will be sent to you.
Gord/Jim; I would appreciate you sending this out on the RCOC and Airborne nets respectively. I'm sure I missed many people who have served /known Phil.
If people get this more than once, my apologies. More details to follow. In any case, all emails on this subj through me pls.
The RCOC Museum
25 Feb 2008
Received this from Walter Higdon (an old RCOC acquaintance)
When a good Veteran leaves the "job" and retires to a better life, many are jealous, some are pleased and yet others, who may have already retired,
wonder. We wonder if he knows what they are leaving behind, because we already know. We know, for example, that after a lifetime of camaraderie
that few experience, it will remain as a longing for those past times. We know in the Military life there is a fellowship which lasts long after the
uniforms are hung up in the back of the closet. We know even if he throws them away, they will be on him with every step and breath that remains in
his life. We also know how the very bearing of the man speaks of what he was and in his heart still is.
These are the burdens of the job. You will still look at people suspiciously, still see what others do not see or choose to ignore and always will look at
the rest of the Military world with a respect for what they do; only grown in a lifetime of knowing. Never think for one moment you are escaping from that life.
You are only escaping the "job" and merely being allowed to leave "active" duty.
So what I wish for you is that whenever you ease into retirement, in your heart you never forget for one moment that "Blessed are the Peacemakers for they
shall be called children of God," and you are still a member of the greatest fraternity the world has ever known.
Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends
CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on the same conversation you were having the last time you met.
CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
5 Feb 2008
E-mail received from Gord Gedge
Hi RCOC vets,
Read E-mail below from Doug Townsend please.
As the LDSH were not in Germany in 57 - 58, I suspect this LDSH/OFP Hockey team was in Calgary and possibly went to Germany for the Cdn Army Hockey chapionships.
Can anyone shed some light on this? If so, please pass your comments to Doug Townsend.
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:32:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "D. T."
Subject: History of crest
I picked up the attached patch on Ebay recently and I am wondering about its history.
Could you canvas your vast contacts to see if anyone can tell the story behind the patch?
LDSH OFP combined Hockey 1957-58 cloth crest
13 Dec 2007
Received by e-mail from Gord Gedge
December 12, 2007
Subject: Politicians abandoned Veterans!
The year of the Veterans and Remembrance Day have long passed. It is obvious that Political Leaders have abandoned Veterans, as they continue to struggle with the Financial Dignity of their Golden Years.
Yet the Government of Canada has depleted our pension account of over 17 Billion dollars, the CPP has an excess of 120 Billion dollars and the Employment Assurance account has a surplus reaching 60 Billion dollars. The Federal Government of Canada has posted yet another surplus of 15 Billion dollars. Political Leaders can’t find sufficient funds to terminate the claw back affecting Disabled and retired Veterans.
Most Politicians are not even permitted to support Veterans by signing their Petition at URL: www.petitiononline.com/vets8
When will Canadians be able to vote for Politicians who will stand up and represent the People of their Constituency?
Of course, Politicians are exempted the claw back to their generous pension and are also exempted from contributing to the Employment Insurance programme. In addition, the 2008 Veterans pension indexing of 1.8% will be clawed back at age 65. If members of Parliament can be exempted the claw back from their Pension, then Veterans also deserve to be exempted!
Merry Christmas to all! May God guide you in the New Year!
27 Dresden Court
12 Dec 2007
E-mail received from Frank Wagner (I added last names to the attendees [hope I got them correct])
Today the Chilliwack Branch held there usual monthly coffee break, with all the jokes etc.
The "Coffee" consisted of Bacon, eggs over easy, hash browns with toast and coffee. For most of us this is the only time we venture near Bacon so its actually a real treat.
Those in attendance were; George Cooper, Paddy Ryan, Don Matula, Bill McIntyre, Frank Wagner, Mac Green, Jacque Hardy and Will Selig.
All of the above are sending to you and your family and the family of Corps the very best for the Holidays.
We even went so far as to say to everyone, May you have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, we even signed it Ho Ho Ho and another Ho Ho.
We hope everything is well with you in the frozen North and your Holidays are filled with Joy and Happiness.
Frank and the boys from Chilliwack
26 November 2007
PS unions lose $30B pension fight
7 November 2007
Received this from several sources, an internet listing of retailers across Canada that give discounts to CF Personnel and veterans. In most cases you have to show your ID or retirement ID. http://www.cfdiscounts.ca/ Thanks Canada!
4 November 2007
THE APPRENTICE DIRECTORY
Since the Reunion in Calgary this past August, there have been some issues with the on-line version of the Apprentice Directory.
As you may recall, the original directory was started by Bob Elliott and I offered to put it on the website for easy access. Several years ago Bob e-mailed me aand stated that he would no longer be actively updating the directory, so I changed the point of contact to myself and endeavored to keep the directory up to date and available on the website. This past spring/summer Bob contacted me and told me that he would once again take over the directory and keep it updated. Unfortunately, several issues arose about formatting and compatibility which increased the workload to make it a viewable resource on the website. So, to ensure that the directory remained current and available, Bob and I decided that the Website version would no longer be updated but would remain available via e-mail updates. Therefore I will put a minute on the website version to that effect and I will advise anyone interested, that Bob is currently e-mailing updated versions out on a monthly basis. His e-mail address is available on the site and if you are not receiving his updates at the moment, just contact him and he'll put you on the list.
Sorry if this is an inconvenience to anyone and if you have any input at all please contact Bob or myself by e-mail.
RCOC Assn / RCOC Apprentice Webmaster
4 November 2007
This was received from several sources all of whom quoted the same source. (FSNA)
Pension Increase for 2008
Treasury Board has announced the increase in indexing to be applied to Public
Service, Canadian Forces, and RCMP pensions in January 2008. The
rate for 2008 will be 1.8
23 October 2007
The following link comes from Marcel (Benny) Lemarbre, who many of you may know, was a Service Corps Apprentice that did his first year with us in Longue Pointe. Benny has some real great pictures in this link from those days and some of you will get a kick out of the uniforms and equipment that they used.
Enjoy and thanks Benny.
22 October 2007 - RCOC Apprentice Directory
Bob Elliott is once again firmly in charge of the RCOC directory on this site. Any questions, inquiries, or amendments should be sent to him at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Thanks for your hard work and persistence Bob.
19 Oct 2006
Received this e-mail from Frank Wagner after his trip to Germany. He is responding to my inquiries about the old Canadian Forts in the Soest area. Nice Pictures as well.
No problem finding Chambly.
A rundown on the bases.
Chambly. Base wksps and OFP are closed and trees growing through pavement. BSS is still going strong. A Stone/pavement recycler is there and the warehouse is a workshop for equipment repair. Bathrooms etc are still in same place and being used. BSS HQ bldg is fenced off and falling down and supply adm building is still being used as office space. Guardroom is a small beer/canteen for the workers. Jr ranks mess has been renovated , rather nice and is main canteen area with lovely meals at a cheap price. Churches are being used, one as a photo studio and I forget the other. Curling ring still being used for a variety of things. Old quarters are mostly gone as is most of Sgts mess but many new buildings in place for a variety of small businesses. Chambly is doing well.
Fort Henry. Closed but all buildings removed and new buildings in place with small to large trucking businesses etc. looks nice.
Fort York just closed, still very well kept. Soest hockey clubs use the arena and gym is being used by Soest as well most barracks are gone, no entrance allowed on base.
Fort Victoria is completely overrun with trees and brush, hard to find anything unless you know where to look. St Louis is even worse than Victoria.
Fort Anne is alive and well as the Werl golf club. Old buildings removed new clubhouse etc and many small businesses on site, actually a very pretty base.
We spent a few days in Berlin well worth seeing, we found Germany less expensive than Canada.
Take care. I hope the guys enjoy these. I don't know if there are any coffee breaks scheduled for here (Chilliwack) or not, as I left 1 Sep and returned 4 oct and haven't made contact with anyone as yet.
We'll have to look at Calgary for next year.
To view Frank's pictures go to the photo site.
One more piece of information for all those concerned, this site now has it's own domain, www.RCOCassn.com and as well, I have set up a domain for the RCOC Apprentice site at: www.RCOCapprentice.com . None of this is cheap and so far I have financed it on my own but if you are of the mind, I will accept donations, I would like to keep both of these site going as long as possible.
Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense
18 Oct 2006
Here's a glowing recommendation from Al Truelove.
Hi Bill; Just wanted to say that
the Museum has had dealings with Myles Penny and have had an excellent
relationship. Our RCOC blazer crests are selling like crazy. They are of
excellent quality and very reasonably priced. If the interest is there, I
can talk to Myles about RCOC ties. He is a great guy with his heart in the right
place for Canada.
Would appreciate you posting this on the Corps website.
Cheers Al Truelove
15 Oct 2006
Information: (Bill Hicks) info@RCOCassn.com
Received an e-mail from John McKaig reference the availability of a Corps ties. I assure you it took me some time and long distance phone calls but this is what I came up with:
4311 6 Ave SE
Calgary,AB, T2A 3B1
Mark Wood is the proprietor. His E-mail address is:
"Wood Mark <email@example.com>"
The ties are $15 each plus $5 postage (1-3 ties) plus GST.
A single order would be $21.40.
An order for two would be $37.45
This information is a year old so I'm not sure how many he has or the wait time if he doesn't???
Next is a web site for Penny's of Thunder Bay (don't install the shockwave player 10, it works well without it) the URL is: www.pennys.ca and he has a host of things including corps ties and the note at the bottom of the page says, if he doesn't stock it they will get it, which sounds encouraging.
Anyway if anyone has additional information, please advise me.
02 Oct 2006
E-mail received from Jim Steed
RCOC Assn (Central Region)
Dear RCOC Member
Our 2006 Reunion, held on April 21 and 22 was a moderate success. There was some concern that we would not achieve the minimum numbers and might be forced to cancel out. However, we came close to that requirement and the prudent management of finances by Ron Kyswaty allowed us to hold the Reunion.
Unfortunately, the numbers told us that we could not continue to hold a reunion in future years. Accordingly, we announced to the attendees that 2006 was our final year. This decision was made based on a number of considerations. It is very difficult to keep costs at an affordable level. There is also a problem of getting a suitable venue with the dates we wanted, a venue that would satisfy all those who might attend the Reunion. Finally, our numbers are reducing each and every year. It was time to bring it to an end.
I would personally like to express my sincere thank you to all those who faithfully attended the Reunions over the years. Their success was due to your continued support. Also, I would like to thank all those members who served on the planning committees throughout those years.
I have a special thank you for my fellow committee members for their hard work and support in trying to keep the Reunions alive. Ron Kyswaty worked wonders in administering the committee requirements and keeping our finances in order. Len Keeney was always busy ensuring that our facilities were properly set up and, of course, manned the barbeque with style and flair. Unfortunately, Len was hospitalized just before the Reunion and was not able to attend. Ron stepped into the breach at the barbecue and did a superb job.
Very special thanks must be reserved for Bill Birbeck who has given us a lot of excellent voluntary support, both when we were able to use the Holland Armoury and in subsequent venues. At the armoury, he obtained all the catering requirements for three-day Reunions and was our chef for the formal dinner and Sunday brunch. At subsequent venues, he again obtained our requirements for the barbecue and arranged catering for the formal diner. His excellent support contributed greatly to the success of the Reunions.
Last winter we did a general mailing and an e-mailing to the addresses we had for over 650 of our members. Many were returned for various reasons - moved, incorrect address, unrecognized email address, no longer with carrier, etc, and of course, deceased. Attached for those who so requested is a copy of the Corps nominal roll as we were able to determine.
Our bank account balance is as present $846.00. After snail mailing of this letter and nominal rolls to those without email, the remaining balance will be donated to the "Friends of the War Museum". Our physical assets remaining such as the RCOC Dining Side Chair, flags, RCOC Cannon Table Plaque, picture albums, etc will be donated to our the Corps museum.
The Ottawa reunion was a star event which shone for many years due to the dedication of the Senior NCOs who managed this chapter of the association. When membership was opened to all ranks it was indeed gratifying to see the increase in attendance to the annual reunion and the esprit de corps remaining across the board to "The Corps".
18 July 2006
Hope this email finds you both in good health and enjoying life.
Bill; could I pls ask you to post this on the Corps website?
Corps members; As a result of an email fm Gord Gedge, the museum has found an
supplier for subj.
The finished crest is of excellent quality and comes in two kinds; one that is sewn on the blazer, and one that has 'clutch pins'
that can be on/off as reqd. We presently have five if each. If interest is good, we can easily order more. As you know, it is very difficult to find anything RCOC nowadays. Both Phil Sippley and I are very impressed with this crest. We are selling them at $20 (tax incl)
and orders should be placed through me at firstname.lastname@example.org . The museum is doing very well and thriving.
10 July 2006
Just received this from Russ Watson by e-mail (Bill)
Against Benefit Reduction at age 65
To the Membership
July 6, 2006
Regret delay, flooded with e-mails and that's good. With regards to the Minister of National Defence letter that is circulating to our members I
wish to advise you that the Committee is indeed very, very disappointed with the MND responses towards the Mission.
Taking into consideration that the MND is obviously a very busy person, I believe that his response is merely a formatted letter prepared for him by bureaucrats. Some facts contained in the response are incorrect and does not take into consideration that Military/RCMP Personnel are a different Government provider who were unjustly treated by the Government of the day. I regret to advise you that the Minister of National Defence office has recently sent us the same formatted answers you received. We are not prepared to give up on our Mission, to terminate the unfair practice of the Benefit Reduction formula that is being applied to Military/RCMP Annuity.
23 June 2006
Received this via e-mail and I have already joined. (Bill)
Veterans and/or Serving Members
have formed a NATO Veterans Organization, that is serving all of
aim is too be recognized as NATO Veterans as we are 125-150.000 strong but are
never mentioned on any remembrance service but we buried 570 service personnel
and 926 Dependents in Germany, France and other parts in 44 cemetery’s in
Europe after WW II
are not collecting funds to raise monuments in
membership dues are $ 10.00 per year and this is mostly for administration cost.
We have a domain name on the internet and a website, see bottom of page. We send
newsletters out and I will attach one as well as an application form
present we have 90 members from
love to have you join us as NATO Veteran
& Diny Joordens
22 June 2006
Received the following a few days ago and thought it may be of interest to some of you. This is from Ron Morton.
was surfing the web looking for decent military web sites and came across
yours. Very well organized and easy to move around in.
However the real reason I have emailed you is simple, I have started a new website of sorts for Army personnel, both Canadian and those countries of the British Commonwealth where they can have a Personalized Screensaver made. I have made many for both Canadian and Australian force members.
I thought I'd email you in hopes that you would inform your members/guests of this site. There are no United States Military badges on this site as I do not do their badges due to copyright laws and so on. However I do all of the other above mentioned countries' badges. I also have a small piece on an Airborne site, the owner of which I have done several Screensavers for him and family members. you can find it at:
Feel free to contact the webmaster of this site if you wish to.
The URL for my site as it is at:
I hope you go to the site and have a look at my work, all models and badges are 3d and are made personally. I also hope you will inform all your members and guests.
Hoping to hear from you soon
Regards Ron Morton
27 February 2006
B O R N E W E S
T D Z V I
The following is a relay from Dave Munro, President CPVA and member of DZ VI and concerns disability pensions and awards under the new Veterans Charter. It is important that any veteran who has an application pending, or who is applying for a disability pension, should contact Veterans Affairs Canada prior to 01 April 2006 to determine whether the existing Pension Plan or the New Veterans Charter would be most beneficial.
DISABILITY PENSIONS/DISABILITY AWARDS
Some exceptional claims, made after April 1,
2006, may still be adjudicated under the Pension Act. Applications
concerning a condition already pensioned under Pension Act (i.e.,
reassessments, paired organ or limb). Conditions which cannot be separated
for assessment purposes. Application from survivor or dependent children
concerning the death of a member or Veteran if the death occurred before
April 1, 2006, or if the death was related to a pensioned condition.
Applications for Attendance Allowance or Exceptional Incapacity allowance in
respect of a condition pensioned under the Pension Act. Informing clients
about transition provisions. Disability Pension application letters from the
DO will advise the applicant that if a signed application and all supporting
documentation (within clients control) is not received by April 1,
2006, the claim may be adjudicated under the CFMVRCA. Applicants who have
made a claim under the Pension Act may choose to have it adjudicated under
the CFMVRCA instead, as long as written notification of such is received
prior to the pension decision being rendered.
BORNEWEST DZ VI
250 598-5517 (r)
15 February 2006
Taken from the VAC Website as per information received by e-mail from John N. Stuart
The 7th Book of Remembrance
Veterans Affairs Canada is asking Canadians to help create a seventh Book of Remembrance that will recognize members of the Canadian Forces who have died since October 1, 1947. The book will honour members who have died as a result of service to their country but whose names are not already included in the Book of Remembrance that pays tribute to those who died as a result of service in the Korean War. In the Service of Canada – the Seventh Book of Remembrance will be located in the Peace Tower in Ottawa where Canada's six other Books of Remembrance are located. If you know someone who should be included in the new Book of Remembrance, please let us know the name of the member, the member's service number, and when the member died. You can e-mail this information to email@example.com or write to us at:
Veterans Affairs Canada
Canada Remembers, Seventh Book of Remembrance Project
12th Floor, Room 1208
66 Slater Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0P4
18 Nov 2005
E-Mail from Gord Gedge
Attached is an excerpt from Gordon's E-mail, introducing us to Bill C-441 An Act to amend the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act (elimination of deduction from annuity). This is important to all pensioners.
30 Aug 2005
E-mail from Al Truelove
Many thanks Bill; while I have you online; I want to let you know, not only as the Director of the Corps Museum, but personally,how
much I and the staff at the museum appreciate your efforts. Your site, which we all refer to as "the Corps website" is the
only venue where we old Corps types get to catch up on news and communicate with our old comrades. It's people like you, George
and Mac who allow us to keep in touch with each other as we grow that little bit older every year.
Now, I have a request for you Bill: I would appreciate you posting this in the "news" section of the website.
It's your choice but I think people should be aware of the effort and time that you spend on keeping us all in touch.
It's your call old friend; but I think it's about time you got some "kudos" and pls sign my name.
* It's a labour of love. BH
30 Aug 2005
E-mail rec'd from Al Truelove
Hope this email finds you in good health and living the good life.
Bill, I would appreciate you putting the following in the news section of
the Corps website. You may change the words as you see fit.
Corps members may find that
they cannot access the museum website since last week.
This is because we are in the process of de-linking the joint website of the museum and
the LOG Assn of Montreal. In future/now, the Museum website is www.rcocmuseum.com
and will contain a link to the LOG Assn (Mtl Chap).
We will also, over the winter months, produce new content on the museum website
as we (meaning Phil Sippley and the boys) have revamped displays and given the museum
a modern up to date je ne sais quoi look.
Bear with us please. The Corps Museum is alive and very healthy!
Regards to you all.
14 Aug 2005
Tired of the government ripping you off?
This is the year of the Veteran, let's show them our strength.
Lokk at: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/military.pension/
27 Jul 2005
Received in e-mail from Frank Wagner
Bill, I found several RCOC members who have departed in Europe, some who you and other members may well remember
SP 9932 WO2 E E Elke d 19 Jan 1957 age 42 buried Hannover
SH 61471 Pte H J Haines d 30 may 1958 age 30 buried Hannover
SH 99426 WO 2 A D Macdonald d 22 mar 1955 buried Hannover
SC 18771 Sgt R G Bouchard d 8 Oct 1967 buried Werl
SB 182524 Cpl J R Carron d 18 dec 1967 age 23 buried Werl
SD 190753 Sgt R Erskine d 12 july 1967 Werl
SD 192276 Band Sgt W H Schultz d 26 nov 1967 age 49 buried Werl
SC 11636 Cpl Ernest C Trepanier d 10 jan 1956 age 41 buried Brookwood England
New Tuscon working great but I drive the old buggy the most.
Have a great one
18 Jul 2005
Received in E-mail from: Marcel (Benny) Lemarbre
Subject: Greetings from a Vet
Hi Fellow Veterans
During the week-end of 02-03 July we were in Halifax and while there we decided to visit the Citadel Museum etc, and just by chance we discovered Veterans were admitted free of charge during the Year of the Veteran, mind you it is not advertised, it is just passed on verbally. We were told it applied to National Parks and establishments administered by Parks Canada, therefore while visiting any of these establishments ask for the Veteran discount, as a matter of fact it would not hurt to ask for Veterans discount at other establishments not administered by Parks Canada.
Pass the word on to other Veterans on you mailing list.
Have a nice summer and happy travelling.
Have a great day
13 Jul 2005
Sent: July 13, 2005 1:27 PM
To: Bill Hicks
Subject: Emailing: UN NATO Actual Pin, Petawawa Man, Petawawa Man-1
I just got my order in today the
PEACEKEEPER VETERAN UN NATO pin (Pick it up in the Legion's magazine) very
nicely made for only $10.00. Anyone interested in any of those PINS order
at: VETERAN'S LAPEL PIN address 12 Doran Rd. Petawawa,ON K8H 1P5 .
29 June 2005
From: Al Truelove
Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org ; Burch.email@example.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: The RCOC Museum Thanks You
I am writing on behalf of The RCOC Museum Committee to you and the members of the PACIFIC REGION ROYAL CANADIAN ORDNANCE CORPS ASSOCIATION, to thank you for the unexpected and very generous gift/donation of $1505 that we received last week.
First of all, we are sorry that your Association, which has been active since 1981, has had to strike its tents. I know that some of your members, incl yourself, have put many years of effort and work into the Association and we are sure you are all sad to see it close.
I was going to write directly to Bill Hicks and have him put this on the Corps website but we thought that we should tell you and your committee how grateful the museum is that you thought of us and perhaps on your own 'net' let all concerned know of our appreciation.
You know, in this day and age, military museums are not on a high priority list, and a donation such as your Associations' is a Godsend as it is difficult to preserve our Military heritage for the for the younger generation of Canadians coming behind us.
You can be rest assured that the monies will greatly assist the museum volunteers in displaying RCOC (and other) Memorabilia for the many visitors to the museum.
The other reason I send this to you George is to ask you to 'sound out' your Executive/members on one of the things we would like to do with your gift. The main museum sign above the entrance to the museum is in very bad shape. It is wood, the paint is peeling and needs to be replaced. We thought we could use some of your gift and get a new sign, probably in metal. The sign would be bilingual of course and we want to have a dedication at the bottom, saying "Donated by the PACIFIC REGION ROYAL CANADIAN ORDNANCE CORPS ASSOCIATION." I hope I got the name right! Please let me know if this OK.
Well that's about it George. If you could please pass this on to your members and Bill for publication on the Corps website we would be most appreciative.
All is well in the museum. Phil and the boys are doing a tremendous job of revamping displays and updating stuff to keep a fresh look.
Thanks and Regards to you all on the "West Coast"
16 June 2005
To all Paid up members
05 June 2005
RCOC ASSOCIATION PACIFIC REGION CORPS MEMBERS
This is not a happy letter to compose for the Association.
As every paid up member was advised, that the reunion for 2005 was being held on 4 and 5 June 05 in Chilliwack.
Our 2005 reunion only had 20 paid up members attending, 17 from BC and 2 members from Ontario.
Our nominal roll list 115 paid members and unpaid members, out of this the number of paid up including 5 life members is a total 72 members.
The current President, Vice/President and Secretary/Treasurer have filled these positions for 6years, 2 years and 3 years respectfully. However due to personal reasons they cannot continue, and a request for volunteers at the AGM met with no response.
A motion was made to vote on the dissolution of the Association which was passed effective 04 Jun 2005.
Final disbursements of funds was voted as follows:
a. Any paid dues over 2006 would be returned to the member,
b. All financial debts would be cleared as soon as possible,
c. A motion was placed on the floor that any funds remaining after a, b and c above would be forward to the RCOC Museum located in Montreal Que, this option was unanimously agreed to by all voting association members at the AGM.
Two auditors have been elected to carry out a final audit when all finances are finalized.
RCOC Association Pacific Region
16 June 2005
Pacific Region RCOC Association
Established at Chilliwack in 1981 through the guidance of Don Matula assisted by numerous local RCOC members.
Memberships were held from most Provinces in Canada, Reunions were held in Chilliwack, Vancouver, Kelowna and Victoria over the past 34 years.
With the decline in memberships and the lack of executive members, the decision was made to cease operation after the 2005 reunion.
The membership agreed to refund dues to members paid in advance, with the option of members receiving it or passing the money to the RCOC Museum through the Executives.
Finally it was decided, any funds remaining in the Association would be turned over to the RCOC Museum in Montreal through Lt./Col (Ret) Al Truelove. A combined total of $1439.26 was transferred to the RCOC Museum on close out.
The last Reunion was held on the 4,5 & 6 June 2005 in Chilliwack, B.C.
Malcolm Green - George Cooper
Secretary /Treasurer - President
Pacific Region RCOC Association
07 June 2005
e-mail from Don and Shirley Matula
Some of you are probably aware that a "Year of the Veteran" pin is available through VAC at no charge. They have a back log till June, but they'll be happy to mail them out when they're ready. The toll free number is 1-800-443-0394. They will send up to two of them. I just called and ordered them this morning. Chow.
05 June 2005 ****READ - IMPORTANT*****
From the Desk of Bill Hicks
It is with great sadness that I report today, the close out of the Pacific Region RCOC Association.
The executive announced at the AGM this past weekend that the Pacific Region Association was unable to find and elect a new executive and in preparation for that, had planned an orderly close out of the Association in the Pacific Region. All monies still left in the account after the resolution of the debts and return of pre-paid dues will be forwarded to the RCOC Museum in Montreal.
It seems that the interest is no longer there (for the majority) to continue gathering for annual reunions.
Having said that, I will continue to operate and update the Associations Web Page as long as I continue to get input from the past members and other Regions.
I personally believe in the Association and hope that in the future it may make a comeback.
Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense
15 November 2004
From the Desk of James Steed
I thought some of you might be interested in this web site.
of British and Commonwealth soldiers who fought in WW1 are able to trace their
relatives' war records through the following web site.
sure many of you will appreciate this site.
you all have a great weekend and God Bless.
27 October 2004
Email from Benny Lemarbre
The Franco X-Apprentices 57-58 are having a dinner (Down the memory lane) on the 20 Nov at the Officers Mess at old RCOC School on Hochelaga St. If any of you X RCOC App want to join us please contact Guy Tringle at; firstname.lastname@example.org ASAP.
"HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE"
Benny Lemarbre went through the Soldier Apprentice plan, with his first year at the RCOC School in Montreal and then went on to the RCASC in Borden, as did many other others. (Bill)
24 October 2004
Hello once again folks. I have received from several sources over the past few days, requests to add this event to the web site. So here is the link to the reunion site for the Queens Own Rifles of Canada: http://www.qor.com/reunion/
The Queens Own Rifles of Canada, is near and dear to my heart, it was the first unit I went to on leaving the RCOC Apprentice Trg Company, the summer of 1965.
RCOC Apprentice 63/65
28 August 2004
Just got back form the Western Area reunion and had a great time as usual. The boys in Calgary really know how to host a reunion. It started off with a meet and greet Friday evening which although wasn't heavily attended the crowd was good and they had to kick us out. Actually, a few got carried away and headed downtown. (ouch! they must have hurt Saturday morning!) Saturday morning there was a Stampede breakfast and although I didn't attend, I was told it up to it's high standard. Only difficulty was the Chief cook and bottle washer (George Cooper) was unable to attend and from all accounts was sorely missed. Saturday afternoon was the AGM and a new crew was put in place to organize the coming year. (as soon as I get a copy of the minutes I'll post them) After the meeting was a social time and then dinner and dancing. The social time was great, I met up with a lot of my old apprentice chums and got some good pictures. (which will be in the photo area as soon as I can get the time to put them together) The dinner off course was great and lots of it. As for the dancing, I had a cast on my leg so I was a bit restricted but the music was good and everyone seemed to enjoy it.
During the weekend Dee was busy selling raffle tickets on everything from booze to bears. (you had to be there!) I lucked in on a secondary draw and won a bottle of scotch as I was leaving the building. Almost though I was going to have to leave empty handed, not good for an old bin rat.
Anyway if you were there, you no doubt had a good time, if you weren't there, you missed a good one. Be sure to look at the pictures.
19 July 2004
Hi folks, just a quick one. Below is an extract, from an e-mail from George Cooper, in reference to RCOC accoutrements (blazer crests, ties, etc.) and their availability.
Garry Paddley, in Calgary has found a source there for these items, and I will be meeting the owner, at the Calgary Reunion, to attempt to have members ordering their own requirements directly from the source, and the Association having nothing to do with it, as I don't feel we should have funds tied up in stock, I have seen it happen with, Ottawa, London, Calgary and they all had to reduce below cost to get the money back in the bank.
On another note, I applied for my Veterans plates and within the week, my application was verified and returned from the Legion. I forwarded it on to the local ICBC office and have yet to receive the plates. There estimate is the end of July with there normal order of plates.
07 June 2004
Well, that was quick, I phoned work this morning to have them e-mail the Veterans license plate info to me and had it before lunch. So here it is, compliments of the Corp of Commissionaires (Vancouver Island and the Yukon);
These are in "pdf" format so if you haven't downloaded Adobe Acrobat Reader, it's about time you did.
Just click on the underlined text to view the "pdf" files. First the criteria for the Veterans Plates and when you're ready, the application form for the Veterans Plates, just print it out, fill it out and mail it out.
I can't tell you a whole lot more about it, at the moment, as I've just sent mine off today, but I will keep you up to date.
Web Page Editior
07 June 2004
Just returned from the Pac Region RCOC Reunion and if you weren't there, you definitely missed another good one. The Boys and Girls from Chilliwack, as usual, out-did themselves. A hardy thanks has to go out to George Cooper, Mac Green and their committee, they did a great job.
A couple of points from the meeting;
A motion was brought to the floor in regards to, the carrying of unpaid members, in which, it was stated, we would follow the constitution and only carry them for one calendar year.
So take heed Gentlemen, if you are not paid up, you will probably not get a Christmas letter or a package detailing the next Pac Region RCOC reunion in 2005.
At the same time Jacque Hardy suggested that those who are aware of unpaid members in their area, should be phoning them to remind them of the consequences of not renewing their membership. Several others volunteered to make calls in their specific areas, so hopefully we will get some responses for next year.
On a brighter note, this years reunion was a special on for me. As most of you know I was an Apprentice (Green Monster 63-65) and this year I was able to locate several of my intake from the local area and get them out to the reunion. At the meet-n-greet Friday evening, four of us sat down for basically the whole evening and caught up on close to 35 missed years. We have all agreed that we will be attending a 40 year reunion of our graduation, the end of June next year on the east coast, along with almost 40 others from our graduating class. Information can be viewed on the Apprentice web page.
If you ever wonder what reunions are all about, this is it. Meeting old friends that you haven't seen for years.
In the next few weeks I hope to have some pictures of the reunion in digital format and will put them in the photo section. As well, I promised an application for the new "Veterans Auto Plates" and will have that in the next week, or sooner. That will be made available here in the news section.
It was nice seeing you all once again.
Web Site Editor
09 November 03
Well, we talked about it for a long time and we were finally able to get some folks out to Metchosin to an RCOC Veterans grave site. Private Reginald Caffery's Grave is located at a small Church in Mechosin, BC and the Remeberence Day services were attented this year by about a dozen RCOC Pac Region Memebers from the Victoria Area. More pictures will soon be available when I find space to locate them. Anyone willing to provide web space should contact me t the above hyperlink.
08 November 03
Attached is a photo of one of our RCOC vets, Bill Reid, who now lives in the Burlington area. While he is not in our Pac Region Assn, I was wondering if you want to put it on the RCOC web site.
I knew Bill when he was serving in Antwerp with our Base Ordnance Depot, 57-59. He also served at 26 COD in Cobourg. He left the service and became a teacher, in the early 60s.
05 Aug 03
Apologies to all. George sent me a Jpeg file with a run down of how the reunion in Chilliwack went. I was trying to convert it to a document file to put it on the website but had some difficulty with that and it has been on the back burner ever since.
Anyway, rather then make it old news here it is in picture format, hope no one has any difficulties with it.
As well, here are the minutes of the AGM from the reunion Reunion Minutes
Sorry about the Delay.
19 Jul 03
e-mail received from E.W. Halayko PEng, CD reference Bill C-78
The recent item on the litigation surrounding the issue of the confiscated funds from the three
superannuation accounts in your site requires clarification.
The item is in regards of litigation on Bill C-78.
It would be appreciated if our article would also be published.
A link to our web site would also keep your members informed to the status of the litigation and
other concerns of the Canadian Forces Retirees.
SERVIVIMUS PATRIÆ NOSTRÆ
E.W. Halayko PEng, CD
Armed Forces Pensioners'/Annuitants' Association of Canada
LONDON, ON. N6H 5E1
1 (519) 471-9232
16 July 03
Passed by in e-mail from Jim Steed
My name is Walter Hardacre, I am 80 next month and I am trying to tie up some loose ends and leave some history behind me for my family. I joined the former Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps (Permanent Force) September 1, 1939 as a "Boy"soldier and took my discharge on July 31, 1946 with the rank of Warrant Officer first class and appointment as "Conductor". I understand this appointment was abolished shortly after my discharge. My regimental number was P 35384 and almost all my service was with No. 2 Ordanance Depot in Toronto but the last six months was as Chief Clerk in the Central Ordanance Depoit in Ottawa. I was born August 16 1923 and appointed Conductor Februayr 1, 1945 and if I am not too sozzled from my Sunday night scotch that makes me 21 when I received my appointment. That may be some kind of a record to pass on to my children. ( I still have the original parchment of my "warrant"and discharge certificate). My specific question is who is the best to help discover if there are any other "Conductors" still alive today and secondly is any of this any interest to whomever looks after historical matters for the army. Thank you Walter Oliver Hardacre 14 Echo Valley Road Toronto ON M9B 4W6 Telephone 416 233 7871. e-mail address: email@example.com
14 July 03
e-mail from Gord Gedge
Status Report on Federal Pension Plans Surplus Litigation (Bill C-78)
The following is a status report prepared by the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in this legal challenge (FSNA is one of the plaintiffs).
Where is the case at?
Three lawsuits challenging the Government's taking of the surplus in the Public Service Superannuation Plan; the RCMP Superannuation Plan and the Canadian Forces Superannuation Plan are being pursued jointly by Court Order. The Ontario Superior Court has ruled that it has jurisdiction to hear the cases and that the federal unions pursuing the case are entitled to do so to protect the interests of public servants and other federal government employees. The lawsuits are now at the discovery stage. The Government has disclosed several thousand documents relevant to the issues in the case and all of these documents have been reviewed. These documents include financial data and analyses of the plans as well as hundreds of documents, many at the senior level, dealing with the Government's strategy for dealing with pension surplus. The availability of some cabinet documents remains unresolved.
Once review of the documents was completed, the oral examination phase of the discovery process commenced. The former head of the Pension Division at Treasury Board was examined under oath for a total of 10 days in February and April 2003, and the Comptroller-General has been examined on accounting and financial issues for several days in March and April. It is expected that examinations will be completed in the fall of this year.
When will the case be heard in Court?
Once the discovery phase is complete, the Court will schedule a Settlement Conference and assign a trial date. It is unlikely that the case will be tried before the fall of 2004.
What have we learned?
The discovery process has shed a great deal of light on how and why the Government dealt with the surplus as it did. Briefly, we now know that the Government's approach to dealing with the surplus was intimately linked to its desire to reduce the federal budget deficit in the mid-1990's. The Government discovered that accounting rules permitted it to quietly amortize the surplus and reduce the size of the stated budget deficit, even though the balances reported in the Superannuation Accounts would not be reduced. The net result, which was effectively hidden from employees, was the equivalent of a contribution holiday for the Government for much of the decade - a period in which employees continued to make their contributions in full. To make matters worse, one of the basic reasons for the emergence of the surplus in the first place was wage restraint and salary freezes! By 1995, $14 billion in surplus was already built into the Government's internal plan to reduce the deficit. None of these manoeuvres were disclosed to Treasury Board's Advisory Committee on Pension Reform, which included members from the federal unions.
In 1999, Treasury Board proposed a new pension deal, but the Department of Finance refused to permit any discussion of sharing of surplus or transferring of the existing surplus to the new pension fund. Although it didn't say so at the time, the Government needed to use the surplus to meet its deficit reduction targets. When the employee side refused to agree to the Government's deal, Bill C-78 was the Government's answer. Under this version of pension reform, employee contributions increased and the Government retained all the surplus, which had by 2000 grown to about $30 billion.
Because it involves statutory pension plans, the case presents a number of new and groundbreaking issues. We remain committed to pursuing the case and to reversing the largest surplus grab in Canada.
03 July 03
Sugject: 100 Anniversary Plaque Presentation
I am pleased to report that subject presentation went off very well.
As can be seen in the attached 3 photos, a group of Pacific Region RCOC Association members gathered at 1000 hrs, 2 July, 2003, at the L Gen E.C. Ashton Armoury Museum, one of the best military museums in the West, including at least eight fully restored operational military vehicles, ranging from a WW 2 motorcycle to a Ferret Scout car, 21/2 Dump truck, and M62 Wrecker.
On your behalf I presented our 40th Anniversary plaque to Maj Don Manley, the Curator of the museum, for his safe keeping, prominently displayed in the foyer of the Armoury. Don Manley is former RAOC and RCOC Reserve. After the presentation we took a group photo and then visited the U.N. Memorial Corridor, undoubtedly one of the finest U.N. displays in Canada, including every U.N. Peacekeeping medal ever issued. In attendance were (left to right) Ron Marrs, James MacKendrick, Frank Marion, Gord Gedge, Don Manley, Mel Barrett, Joe Kirkpatrick, Brian Johnson, Terry McGinty, and Reg Shelford. It was great to see so many WW 2 vets out for the occasion.
I am forwarding this to Bill Hicks for inclusion on the web site with the
pictures( previously forwarded) of the Anniversary plaque and 4 foot high,
white cement COC badge, to be presented in 2005, when it becomes available. Cheers, and hope your holiday down East went well.
On that island in the Pacific
16 Jun 03
Well, Reunions..............Ottawa is finished, Chilliwack is finished, just the Western Region reunion to go an that's in Calgary in August. Hopefully I will have a new web site for the RCOC Apprentices finished or at least under way by then.
I am starting to run into problems with space on this site. If I don't get rid of a lot of stuff soon, I'll limit out and there will be no new content. As it is I'm so close now I'm not sure if I'll be able to get this page back on.
The Apprentice site has been created, it's just a matter of developing something. As well if anyone has a Shaw account and wishes to donate some space to me, just email me and let me know, I'll give you the instructions on how to set it up. As you know, you are allowed to have up to seven (7) e-mail accounts and with each e-mail acct you may have a website not to exceed 10mb. It's not necessary to set up another web site, just use a your web space to store stuff; like pictures and that sort of thing. Pictures take up a lot of space so the more graphical the web site, obviously the more space it takes up.
Anyway, I won't take up anymore space for now and I will keep you all informed on this page as to what is transpiring. The address for the Apprentice sit is: www.members.shaw.ca/rcoc-apprentice, give me a few days to develop something before you get to surfin'.
E-mail from Doug Townend
The Ottawa Reunion was a real success. 150 plus attended the Friday night
happy hour, based on count of steaks eaten and 182 sat down to dinner
David Kilmartin stood up and said he would ensure that the Assn continues
not only in Ottawa but across the country. You may hear from him in the
fall. Some attendees also voiced a desire to hold a reunion in other
locations, eg: Kingston. So, it looks like there may be a resurgence of
esprit de corps; lets hope we can harness it. Kingston was the home of the
RCOC School for many years until 1944 and 4 AOD was located there as well
as an RCOC District Detachment in the early 1900s so the city has some real
ties to the Corps and would make a good setting.
My lapel pins sold well in Ottawa but sales are slow at the moment. With
reunions in Calgary, Cobourg, and The Apprentices in Calgary, and the Corps
Museum taking some, hopefully the sales will pick up. I appreciate you
putting the photos and e-mail on the web site. Would it be possible to
move the photos to the opening page of the site under the heading of the
100th Anniversary? They would provide a good reminder of the 100th
anniversary as well as help me.
Best regards, Bill.
E-mail from Gord Gedge
Sorry you weren't at the reunion. The attached letter (from the Queen) was given to all
attendees. I couldn't find it on the web site so thought you might want to
include it. I did not reduce it as I didn't want to degrade the quality
further (200 DPI scan). If I get a copy of the AGM minutes, I will pass
them on to you. Paddy Ryan was elected the new V/Pres. Mac Green is the new
Sec/Treas, and volunteered! Next year's reunion will be in Chilliwack, as
Victoria members, generally, are not supporting the reunions.
Keep in touch Bill.
to see attached letter click here
E-mail from Doug Townend
The Ottawa RCOC reunion 2-4 May was a tremendous success!! and so too were
the RCOC commemorative pins.
150 people attended the reunion Friday night happy hour ( based on steaks eaten) and 182 people sat down at the Saturday supper. Vic Tweedy and Bob Elliot plus several others were prominent among
the revellers. They also bought the lapel pins. The coloured pin was the runaway best seller with the round bi-lingual pin second. The rectangular pin which the BC folks preferred was a close third.
Attached are a jpeg of the two metal pins in antique silver (AKA pewter)
and the final graphic design of the coloured pin. The final products are
all very good, based on comments from those who bought them.
About the pins:
- the price of the coloured pin is $4.50, the price on the two antique
silver pins is $3.50 each
- postage will be $1.50 for an order of a single pin.
- if a group put in a bulk order, the cost of postage will be less.
- payment must accompagny the order.
Bill Hicks: would you please put the jpegs on your RCOC website for all to ee with the above information and my contact information shown below.
George: If you still want the sample set of three pins, please provide me your address. I appreciate your offer to show the pins to all in BC and at the Calgary reunion.
To all: the Ottawa RCOC Association will continue. The elders, led by Art
Eady and John Hudson, will be turning over the reins to some of us younger
types to organize and run future reunions. The Corps will carry on!!
1758 Harvest Crescent
Orleans, ON. K1C 1V4
From James Steed
I'm looking for all airborne jumpers as I am making up a nominal roll for the Brotherhood. Requirements are that they must have passed the Basic Para Course. Info I need is as follows: Name & initials Nick name
E Mail Address
Phone number, City,Prov
Canadian Airborne Brotherhood
James E Steed
RR1 5086 Hwy 38
From Michael Boire
The Royal Military College of Canada
4 April 03
I have just consulted your excellent website where I found this name and
I am a serving officer who teaches Canadian military history at RMC. I
am researching the performance of I Canadian Army Tank Brigade in WW II.
In order to begin my research with a proper 'brigade' perspective, I
would like to speak with any veterans of that Brigade's RCASC/RCEME/RCOC
sub-units who would care to talk to me. In addition, are there RCASC
historians who might be willing to talk to me about army logistics
during the Italian Campaign in WW II.
Major Michael Boire, C.D., M.A., bems/ESG
Assistant Professor - History Department,
Royal Military College of Canada
PO Box 17000 Station Forces,
Kingston, Ontario, CANADA K7K 7B4
Tel: (613)-541-6000 x 8781
From Doug Townend
"Greetings all Canadian Peacekeeping veterans. The Canadian Association of
Veterans in United Nations Peacekeeping (CAVUNP) invites you to visit our
web site and to consider joining us <www.peacekeeper.ca/cavunp.html>. We
have chapters located from coast to coast. Membership is open to all
persons who have served on a peacekeeping mission and have received the
Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal or qualify for the medal. Join us in
helping peacekeeping veterans and their families in need, and in
commemorating the more than 100 Canadians who have died on peacekeeping
missons since 1947. For additional information, contact our National
Office at <firstname.lastname@example.org>".
If you consider this message acceptable to your web site and agree to post
it, I can also provide a graphic of our Association badge to go with the
Thank you very much.
National Vice President
From Alan Truelove
The RCOC Museum was officially re-opened on 15 Jun 2002 by the LOG Br
Advisor, Col Jacques Morency. In attendance were; RAdm Martin (Col Comdt),
BGen Gerry Glenn(Natl Pres-CF Log Br Assn) Bgen Caron (Comd SQFT) and LCol
Morency; Col Jacques' Dad! Some of us have known LCol Morency since we were
offr cadets! It was great to see him again! In addition; Pete Denny/Chuck
Read/Bill Rankin/Reg Dauphinee were some of the pers who came fm Ottawa for
the occasion! We even had Padre Michaud give the benediction for the new
bldg! I urge any of you who happen to be in the Montreal area in the future
to include a tour of the RCOC Museum in your itinerary!
While the museum has gone through a metamorphsis; the is no doubt that it
was and indeed still is; a place where people can visit and not only see the
museum but can spend time in a calm, serene atmosphere that was and still
is; a place of worship.
From Alan Truelove
We have a new email for the RCOC Museum; email@example.com. We
are an outstation on the Base net. Still some bugs but are trying to work
We are still waiting for word on our impending move in 2003 into the old MIR
bldg (120)Canex has closed there but there are a few details to work out. We
hope to move sooner.
You would not believe the display changes that Phil and his volunteers have
done this past year! There are so many new displays that it boggles the
Many of you will remember LCOL Durnford, who started the museum; we now have
a display for/of him and it's getting bigger all the time. Ivan was able to
otain his medals; incl the OBE for the museum! Will keep you up to date as we progress.
Cheers Al Truelove
To all Members
In response to the mass e-mialing today with regards to the Annual Pac Region Reunion, there were several recipients that could not be found. If you have any idea as to their new e-mail addresses Please forward them to firstname.lastname@example.org for update of the e-mail listings. These individuals and past e-mail addresses are as follows:
Leo Yull - email@example.com ***FOUND***
Rick Lundin - firstname.lastname@example.org
- RCOC ASSN (PACIFIC REGION) REUNION
reunion this year was held in Chilliwack, at the Area Support Unit (ASU) Mess.
Which is located at what was formerly, the 1 Combat Engineer Regiments building,
at CFB Chilliwack.
Friday 25 May, we were invited to join the ASU members in their Friday night
gathering which including a weekly meat draw. We had approximately 40 members
attend. There was BBQ'd steak or chicken for a snacks and a great evening was
had by all. When it came to the meat draw, you had to rush to get in line to get
your tickets, and our members were winning so often, they were becoming
embarrassed to go up and claim their prize. However, they quickly overcame that
problem. Then around midnight, I don’t know if their voices gave out or the
Geritol wore off, but they began to go home and I assume, rest up for Saturday
Saturday morning we set up the banquet area and had a quick committee meeting.
Some of the ladies went shopping or gathered at one of the local members homes,
for a good gossip and to catch up on past times. At 4 pm we started our AGM and
it finished about 5.15 pm.(a welcome surprise) We then had cocktails until 7 pm
when the banquet of BBQ steak & chicken was served. Along with all the
trimmings, it was more then enough for all. This was followed with a great
dessert table and lots of coffee. We had 52 members and guests attend.
the toast to the Queen and the Corps, introduction of new members was carried
out. This year we were fortunate to have four new members, as a result of a good
Legion Magazine notice. Three of these gentlemen were WWII RCOC personnel and we
very proud to have them join us. Our members who had traveled the furthest
distance, were Dick and Mildred Elder from Barrie Ontario, great supporters of
our association. We also had five members and spouses attend from Alberta.
the banquet, we had a DJ that played “our type” of music. This soon got some
old toes twitching, this, along with a few spot dances, enticed them onto the
11 pm the sandman drifted in and you could notice the line up at the bar getting
smaller and the DJ getting lonely. He was actually thinking of dancing himself,
so we called it a night.
Sunday morning, a brunch was arranged at the local ABC restaurant and we had 17
members attend before leaving for home or places unknown.
summation, it was considered to be a successful gathering and the executive were
pleased to see the good attendance and the fact that everyone appeared to have a
good time. I guess the biggest reward, was getting the four senior RCOC WWII
members into our association.
thank all for attending and hope to see everyone next year in Victoria. The date
and details will be forthcoming in Dec/Jan.
executive for the next year has remained the same via the route of the railroad:
Pres; George Cooper, V/pres; Bill Hicks and Sec/treasurer; Terry McGinty.
RCOC Assn (Pac Region)
To: Pacific Region RCOC Assn members.
UPDATED BC SURVIVORS ESTATE DOCUMENT
This is to inform all addressees that the Sidney Branch of the FSNA has recently published Revision 7 of our popular BC Survivors Estate Document for Federal Superannuates. We sold 1000+ of Revision 6, last year, to BC Federal Superannuates, Notary Publics, Legion members, and retired military associations. The Comox Air Force Assn bought 200, for their members. A limited number were made available and sold at the Pac Region RCOC 2000 reunion in Victoria.
This document is tailored for BC Federal Superannuates and is a concise, easy to follow, step by step summary of actions needed to be completed by one's survivors with all the information required to settle an estate in BC, up to the point of probate, if required. In addition to providing space to list all financial asset details, and their location, detailed step by step instructions for the executor are provided, including CURRENT "800" telephone numbers and addresses that must be contacted at both the Provincial and Federal Governments.
This is our Eighth printing and with each printing improvements are added. Our Branch Welfare/Benefits Officer uses this document when assisting survivors after the demise of a superannuate spouse. It answers the majority of the questions raised by survivors. Feedback from FSNA and non FSNA members across BC, on the form and content, has been most complimentary.
The less than $1.00 profit for each document sold is used by our branch to defray our branch administrative expenses.
While this hard covered 9 page document is available from many FSNA branches throughout BC, who have obtained them from the Sidney Branch, individual FSNA members and non-members, who wish to order, may do so and need to include a cheque for three dollars, for each copy, ($2.00 cost and $1.00 postage), and address their request to:
Sidney Branch FSNA
PO Box 2607
Sidney, BC, V8L 4C1.
I will bring a supply of subject documents to the Pac Region 2001 RCOC Reunion, at Chilliwack, for sale to members @ $2.00 per copy, first come first served.
To find out how useful this document can be, ask your Executor who he/she has to notify in Government about your death to ensure the timely start of your spouses pension and the payment of SDB. My executor doesn't know and most lawyers don't know either, but they can read!
Past President Pac Region RCOC, and
Treasurer & Membership Director
Sidney & District Branch, FSNA
Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense
From Al Truelove
The RCOC Museum now has a webpage/website. It is not extensive but gets the information out to the public. The first picture you see is the left hand side of the old chapel; where we protestants' sat, and the second picture is the right hand side, where the RCs' used to sit; and all this on a Sunday morning! The site was designed and put on the web by our old friend Ron Hebert (ATC/RCOC 60-62)(OCP/RCOC 62-63) Many thanks Ron.
Site is http://rcocmuseum.virtualave.net
If you have suggestions on the site pls let Ron know.
Cheers Al Truelove
From Bob Elliot
Welcome Benny Hayes
It is an honour to welcome a most senior soldier and Boy Soldier to the Apprentice Soldier Directory. He is Arnold E Hayes (Benny), The King's Own Royal (Lancaster) Regiment. B.A. Regular. In September 1939 Benny enlisted as a Boy Soldier in the British Army and later transferred to the Royal Army Ordnance Corps (Sub-Conductor WO1) and the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps on coming to Canada. He served at the RCOC School as an instructor and Platoon Sargeant of 14 Pl ATC. Benny was an inspiration to his men and known to many of the company officers and NCOs for his wise council and skill in a wide variety of military subjects. His son Gary is currently a captain in the Airforce. At age 77 Benny and wife Flora are comfortably retired and living at Canim Lake BC.
We have placed your name at the top of the Directory Benny as well as the staff listing in recognition of your distinguished service to the Corps.
From Gordon Gedge
To: RCOC and
other retired CF members
Al Truelove, Ex RCOC/LOG, on the Executive of the RCOC Museum, passed on the following info from the CFPN, (CF Personnel Newsletter),Maple Leaf Vol 3, No 45, 2000, observing two interesting pieces of news:
1. As of Aug 22, 2000, the NOK of eligible serving and retired CF members may claim an increased benefit to defray burial costs. A benefit of $4100 is available to help with costs when the funeral takes place in the same place as the death, and $4675 when a funeral takes place at a location other than the place of death;
2. There is a joint venture by DND and VAC. They have started the Centre for the Support of Injured and Retired Members and their Families. If CF retirees need an artificial leg, wheelchair, prostheses, braces, etc; they can get them from this organization. Phone is 1-800-883-6094 or internet at www.dnd.ca/hr/thecentre
Doug Townend, ex RCOC/LOG, in Ottawa, researched the validity of para 1 above and he has advised the following:
I just received a phone call from The Centre in reply to my query. The Editor of the CFPN will print a correction to the notice in the March issue of the CFPN which will say the increase in the funeral expense benefit is available only to serving members.
Consequently, only para 2 above is valid. Disregard para 1.
"When a military spirit forsakes a people, the profession of arms immediately ceases to be held in honour, and military men fall to the lowest rank of public servants; they are little esteemed and no longer understood..
- hence arises a circle of cause and consequence from which it is difficult to escape - the best part of the nation shuns the military profession because that profession is not honored, and the profession is not honored because the best part of the nation has ceased to follow it. "
Alexis de Tocqueville
From "Discovery in America"
From Bob Elliot
4 Feb 2001
Dear Ordnance Apprentice Soldier
The year 2001 will provide the first opportunity to test the new RCOC Apprentice Soldier Directory and attempt to reunite us with a most commendable past. We were formed in 1953 at the RCOC School, Longue Pointe Garrison, Montreal, Quebec to provide the Corps with a strong nucleus of professionally trained senior NCOs and warrant officers to assume the business of supply from our predecessors. We certainly accomplished the aim of the program as by the 1960s and 70s, Ordnance apprentices were evident in every area and many stayed the course through Integration and the difficult times to exceed thirty years service. In effect, we became the Corps. We were trained by the best the Corps had to offer and given special status as young men with great potential. They gave us confidence and pride in a Corps that performed an essential and historical function to the Army and the Canadian Forces. Wherever we went, we represented the youth of our training and we were proudly referred to as "Green Monsters". Many also recognized that they were more ably suited for civilian life and left the Army for other opportunities. We also lost others due to death and accident. Regardless of later career choices, we all carried the green flash on our shoulder epaulette for the rest of our lives. That probably explains the current interest in reuniting.
As a prelude to a full-blown 50th anniversary reunion planned for 2003, the National RCOC Association has welcomed all Ordnance apprentices to join the reunion in Ottawa this May. All details, arrangements and timings are attached and a mail-out is planned to reach those without e-mail addresses. It is recommended that those of you who plan to attend the reunion in May 2001 complete the application form attached and mail it with your cheque as indicated (if you are not already on the Ottawa list). You will receive further details and a newsletter from the National RCOC Association.
If you have any questions regarding the reunion please contact Bob Elliott at email@example.com (250) 478-3409 or Jim Steed at firstname.lastname@example.org (613) 372-2294. The very best of Ordnance luck and hope to see you at the reunion.
*Attachments mentioned above are available from the author Bob Elliot at his e-mail address
PSAC and the Snow Birds
from James Steed January 02, 2001
Many retired PSAC members spend their retirement winters in the warmth of the southern States. The Public Service health coverage is only for 40 days and it covers only $100,000 which is very little under the health costs in the U.S. The costs and exclusions of commercial insurance is very expensive and very risky under their small print for pre existing conditions, making it very confusing. Since the government has taken several billion dollars from our pension plan we feel that free full coverage with no pre existing conditions should be included in our pension benefit package. The auto workers have this plan in their benefits, giving them the freedom to pursue the life style they wish and not have the fear of their insurance coverage. This makes our plan look very small in comparison. A plan like this may take some of the sting out of the loss of the billions that the government took. Retired Member PSAC.
PDSP ENROLMENT UPDATE
November 20, 2000
Registration kits were mailed to 330,000 eligible pensioners in late
As of November 20, and with 5 more weeks to go in the initial enrolmentdrive, Sun Life has received 97,000 enrolment forms. The first 60,731 enrolment forms processed indicate that:
approximately 5240 (8.6%) are deferrals; the distribution of membership by superannuation group is nearly exactly the distribution of pensioners by group:
Others: 0.5%; and
the distribution of member coverage is:
Category I: 46.0%
Category II: 50.0%
Category III: 4%
PDSP members will be receiving a Welcome Kit in December. It will contain:
a welcome letter (bilingual);
a Member Information Card (bilingual);
a Sun Life Member Booklet (bilingual); and
both an English and a French Claim Form.
Pensioners who defer coverage for themselves or an eligible family member will receive an acknowledgement letter from Sun Life reminding them how to register when their coverage under another dental plan ceases.
September 28, 2000
The RCOC Museum is alive and well! This will bring you all up to date on the
Museum; what we are doing and where we are going.
The Museum is one of five military museums in the Montreal area. It is the only
military museum open to the public five days a week. As a matter of fact
John Q Public (in the guise of Vic Tweedy) came in for visit this summer!
The Museum has gone through a major overhaul since our curator took over.
Many of you know Phil Sippley (ex MWO-RCOC-LOG-airborne). Phil has been
looking after things since 93. We have over 8000 artifacts; plus many items
we cannot display due to lack of space (more about that later).
If you visit the only thing that looks the same is the building; where most of you went on a Sunday Morning; sometimes under duress!
Last year we had approx 12000, yes, 12000 visitors! The museum is the only building, other than 106 that is still standing on the Hochelaga side of Longue Pointe. The messes have gone and the quarters; but trees and grass have been planted and laid and it looks good.
The Committee consists of the fol;
Chairman- Ivan Burch
Director- Al Truelove
We also have volunteers who help out and have really put many hours into the museum under Phil's direction.
We are due to move into a larger newer building in 2-3 years time. You will all remember the old MIR? Well it has been completely rebuild and now houses CANEX: who will be moving to another location. We cannot wait. If you would like to e-mail Phil: the museum e-mail is email@example.com Well that is about it for now. If you are ever in the Montreal area be sure to drop in. The museum is closed Mon and Tues but open Wed _Sun 1000hrs -1600hrs.
WE really enjoy the Homepage and members therein will surely be hearing from us to renew old friendships.
More news later; Al Truelove
September 23, 2000
Sorry this has taken so long to hit the news page, it was forgotten in error.
Reported by George Cooper:
My wife and myself again attended the Cobourg Reunion held the at the Royal Canadian Legion. This is a one evening affair with no meeting etc held.
The evening commenced at 1800 hrs with the registration followed by a meet and greet until 1930 hrs. The Legion WA again had prepared and served an excellent banquet, which commenced at 1930 hrs and was enjoyed by all members.
After the banquet I was able to announce the dates and location for our 2001 Pac Region Reunion, I also announced our departed members. As well some members purchased RCOC license plates I have from Calgary.
Following the banquet dance music was provided by a DJ until approximately mid night, and the members showed thier pleasure by keeping the floor active on many occasions, but finally the GERTOL started to wear off and the evening came to a close around midnight. Geoff Coleman was the organizer as usual and did a great job.
Thanks again Cobourg for a excellent evening . George & Isabella Cooper
October 16, 2000
Hello RCOC Assn members,
I am sending out this update, as our next newsletter will not be sent out
until prior to Christmas, and you all should be informed that at the
Association AGM in Victoria, at the end of May, George Cooper was nominated
for and elected as our new Association president. George graciously
accepted and is very enthusiastic. The rest of the executive agreed to
continue in their present positions. Our future activities look promising
with a much closer relationship with The Western Assn in Calgary. Plans are
progressing for the 100th birthday of the corps, in 2003.
At the close of the 2000 AGM, in performing my last duties, as your
president, I was remiss in not thanking the members of the Assn Executive,
for their hard work and support. In particular, I would like to commend
Terry McGinty, for his continuing excellent work as our Secretary and
Treasurer. Bill Hicks has been a great V/P and we owe him a well earned
round of applause for his continuing development and maintenance of our
RCOC website, which has taken a lot of his spare time. Our Regional
directors, Don Matula, in chilliwack, and Ken Sinclair, also deserve
honourable mention for their great support, over the years . They were
assisted by other Assn members, which was much appreciated.
Financially, Terry advises that presently our bank balance is $1562.28,
which is healthy, and was achieved by making our reunions self supporting,
to the degree possible. Our Newsletters to all our members is sustainable,
with the possibility, in the future, of e-mailing to those who would be
willing to receive it.
In closing, I would like to thank our membership for your support over the
last three years. Please continue to support George Cooper in like manner.
I will continue to send out periodic e-mails concerning pensions and dental
plans, etc., as I pick them up from my Fed Superannuate Nat'l Assn
channels. If anyone does not wish to receive these updates, don't hesitate
to ask to be dropped from the distribution.
George Cooper's e-mail address is: "firstname.lastname@example.org"
Best regards to all members,
Pac Region RCOC Assn
September 02, 2000
A little news reference our Dental Plan
I'm not sure that I can agree with all the facts as presented by the
AFP/AAC, below. I do know that the Fed Superannuates Nat'l Assn (FSNA) has
been fighting for at least the last 14 years to get the Dental Plan for
retirees, to compensate for the 6 and 5 Restraint Act in the early 80s. The
Gov't compensated the serving Fed employees with the Dental plan circa
87(union pressure?), as part of a pay package, but did not award it to the
retirees who served through the same period. Consequently, the FSNA
continued to lobby the Gov't and had the plan approved, in principle, by
the Mulroney Gov't. The question of who would pay the costs of adding the
deduction from our pension cheques was being negotiated when the Mulroney
Gov't was defeated.
The present Gov't wouldn't discuss it until they had dealt with the
deficit. When they had, the FSNA again brought the matter back to the table
and was successful this time.
I expect that the Gov't did tie in the Dental Plan with the $30 B grab from
our $130 B pension funds, even though they stated that the two were not
related, and if the $30 B grab was not successful, the Dental Plan would
still be implemented (election ploy?).
In my humble opinion, with about $5 B interest being made annually, by our
pension plan, our Dental plan could have been provided free, from that
interest, without costing the taxpayer a cent. This would have required a
change to pension laws, but that could have been done through Parliament.
A consortium of Fed employees unions and the FSNA is taking the Gov't to
court to appeal the $30 B grab, so it is not a done deal, for the gov't
yet. I don't know if the AFP/AAC has contributed the costs of the court
appeal and is part of the consortium.
Meanwhile the FSNA is going back to the Gov't on the basis that retirees
still have not been compensated for 6 and 5, and to get other benefits,
such as preservation and enhancenent of the PSHCP, and a survivor's
allowance to all spouses, regardless of the date of marriage, with no
reduction in the retiree's pension payment.
It is interesting to note that the President of the FSNA is Rex Guy,
retired military, and represents all Federal retirees on many Gov't Pension
and related cttees. As well the FSNA 2nd V/P, Allen McLellan, sits on the
Canadian Forces Pension Advisory cttee, representing all retired military
retirees. We military retirees are well represented.
I don't know if the above has shed any light, but now you know the rest of
The TB rules for the Dental Plan have just been posted on the Treasury
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000
The attachment is of interest to all retirees.
Please note the written comments extracted from a letter by the Minister
of National Defence to one of our members. The truth now seems to be
out. A dental plan was part of a deal in exchange for the theft of our
savings! The question is, who made the deal for the retirees?
Surely a Minister of the Crown would NOT lie.
SERVIVIMUS PATRIAE NOSTRAE
E.W. Halayko PEng, CD
Armed Forces Pensioners'/Annuitants' Association of Canada
1 (519) 471-9232
Web Site:- www.afp-aac.org
The following provides information details on a Dental Plan that is to be
mailed to Military Superannuates in September. This information is to be
posted on the Treasury Board Web site... As soon as it is. We will link to
it from our AFP/AAC site, at www.afp-aac.com.
Note that it is a one time offer and can't be picked up at a later date.
While the maximum amount that can be claimed per person per calender year
is not the greatest, it may be improved by negotiations and so might the
payments increase after two years!
The AFP/AAC fought for this retirement benefit for almost twenty years.
It was completely rejected out of hand by Treasury Board about 1985 as too
costly. It suddenly became viable with the introduction and passage of the
legalized theft of our superannuation surplus by Bill C-78/99. It must be
noted that the Minister of National Defence, in a letter dated Jun 21,
2000, wrote the following: "In the recently legislated amendments (Bill
C-78/99) to the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act..." "...pension benefit
entitlements have, in fact been enhanced through the addition of a dental
plan, a benefit long requested by annuitants." (There was never any
agreement by the AFP/AAC that a small part of the stolen retirement savings
be used to cover the cost of a dental plan!)
Dental Plan Article:
Pensioners' Dental Services Plan Sign-up Starts this Fall. The
Pensioners' Dental Services Plan (PDSP) for federal retirees, first
announced by the President of the Treasury Board early last year, is set to
start providing coverage on the 1st of January, 2001.
The Government of Canada will pay 60% of the costs, with contributions
from annuitants making up the other 40%. These contributions will be $16.00
a month for an annuitant only, $31.96 a month for an annuitant with one
eligible family member, and $47.96 a month for an annuitant with more than
one eligible family member. These rates are guaranteed for the first two
years, after which they might vary depending on the actual costs of the
plan. There is no GST, but provincial sales tax has to be paid on
contributions in Ontario and Quebec. Contributions will be deducted from
superannuations. The PDSP will reimburse 90% of eligible dental expenses,
except for certain major restorative, prosthodontic, and orthodontic
services that are reimbursed at 50%. There is an annual deductible of $25
per person, or $50 per family. Reimbursement is limited to a maximum of
$1,300 per calendar year per person, and there is a lifetime limit of
$2,500 per person for reimbursement for orthodontic services.
Annuitants who are already covered by a dental plan may apply for a
deferment so that they may join the PDSP when the other plan's coverage
ends. The PDSP may not provide as a good a coverage as the one already
enrolled in. A specific application for a deferment must be made during the
same period that enrolments are being accepted.
All eligible superannuates will receive an enrolment package early this
fall that will provide further details about the PDSP, and an enrolment
Enrolment forms, and applications for deferment, must be mailed before
the 31st of December 2000, to join the PDSP. THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY
OPPORTUNITY FOR CURRENT SUPERANNUATES TO JOIN or get a deferment for the PDSP.
Superannautes who enrol must remain in the plan for a minimum of two
A superannuate who opts out of the PDSP will not be allowed to join again.
Apparently the purpose of these restrictions is to prevent people from
joining and paying contributions only when they know they will have big
dental bills, and then getting out and stopping contributions until the
next time they have a lot of dental work to be done. This would inflate the
overall costs and result in every one to pay higher contribution rates.
The PDSP is completely optional. It may not suit the particular
circumstances ofsome superannuates. However, in making a decision on
whether or not to join, the relationship between oral health and general
health, and the unpredictability of dental problems requiring treatment,
should be considered. Experience with past dental bills should give an idea
of the cost of dental work that might be needed in the next two years. This
figure could be compared with the reimbursement that the PDSP would provide
over the same period, to confirm that the contribution rates are attractive.
Additional help or information available after 1 Oct 2000 from Sun Life
August 22, 2000
WESTERN AREA RCOC REUNION
The Western Region RCOC Reunion was held on 18-20 August 2000 in Calgary, Alberta at the Rutland Park Community Center.
A meet-and-greet started the affair off on Friday evening. From all reports the attendance was quite good with almost a dozen members from the Pacific Area attending. The Parking lot looked like a trailer park. In particular was the President and Vice, from the Pacific area, who are now both members of the Western Area Association as well. This should make for good communications between the two groups.
The morning following was a Stampede Breakfast in the same location, with the president of the
Pacific Region preparing the mammoth feast.
The Old CWO looked good cleaning up the Kitchen.
Hard work and wrinkled hands are no stranger to this old veteran. He was actually washing spuds for the evening BBQ.
The BBQ went off well Saturday evening featuring BBQ'd steaks, Baked Potatoes ala Cooper and lots of salads. To top it off was a huge 20th Anniversary Cake and lots of Ale.
I didn't stay for the cleanup and sick-parade Sunday morning but I am sure it went off as well as the other events.
WELL DONE CALGARY! Another superbly hosted RCOC Assn Reunion.
Now that that's a fait de complete, it's time to start thinking about the 100th Anniversary Reunion in 2003.
There have been many thoughts on what should be done and here are a couple.
1. A Western/Pacific get together in either Edmonton or Calgary, which would be central for the folks on the coast and the folks in Winterpeg. Bill Harper has volunteered to rally the troops in Edmonton if that venue was chosen and the Les Ward has offered to take the task (with the help of the folks in Calgary) should that venue be chosen.
2. The second choice and one that may prove to be very difficult logistically is to hold a National event in Winnipeg. A consensus of all four RCOC Assn's (Pacific, Western, Central and Atlantic) would be required. My hat would go off to anyone who would like to manage that beast. I am sure it would have to be someone residing in Winterpeg. Know a candidate?
Well, send your proposals to your heads of state (Association President/Vice/Secretary Treasurer)
And let's not let it lag on to long, eh!
July 17, 2000
ADMINISTRATOR NAMED FOR
PENSIONERS DENTAL SERVICES PLAN
Ottawa - The Honourable Lucienne Robillard, President of the Treasury Board
of Canada, Minister responsible for Infrastructure and Member of Parliament
for Westmount Ville-Marie announced today that Sun Life Assurance Company
of Canada, a wholly owned subsidiary of Sun Life Financial Services of
Canada Inc., has been appointed to administer the new Pensioners Dental
Services Plan (PDSP) for Public Service pensioners.
Sun Life Financial was selected through a competitive process conducted
this spring. Pensioner representatives from Public Service employees as
well as retired members of the Canadian Forces and the RCMP participated in
the selection process.
"We are pleased that the voluntary Pensioners Dental Services Plan will
soon be available," Madame Robillard said. The target date to introduce the
plan is January 1, 2001.
In 1999, the Government announced its intention to introduce a voluntary
dental services plan for current and future federal Public Service
pensioners, their eligible family members and their eligible survivors. Mr.
Rex Guy, president of the Federal Superannuates National Association (FSNA)
stated, "I know that FSNA members throughout Canada will be happy to learn
that the Pensioners Dental Services Plan is now a major step closer to
becoming a reality."
The PDSP will apply to any current pensioner who receives a pension under
the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation
Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances
Act, or the Judges Act. It would apply also to most future pensioners who
become recipients of pensions under these Acts.
The PDSP is similar to the current dental plan for federal Government
employees with respect to coverage, deductibles, maximums, and eligible
services and benefits. The cost will be shared between the Government and
Plan members on a 60/40 basis. Specific details of the Plan, including
contribution rates, will be determined following discussions with the new
"Sun Life Financial welcomes this opportunity to build on our solid
partnership with the federal Government," said Kevin Dougherty,
Vice-President, Group Insurance, "and we look forward to serving the
members who join the Pensioners Dental Services Plan."
Plan details and an enrolment form will be sent, in the fall, to each
For more information, contact:
Joseph M. Kira
Office of the President of the Treasury Board
of Canada and Minister responsible for
Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
TTY (Telecommunications device for the hearing impaired) (613) 957-9090
This news release is available on two networks:
Government Enterprise Network (GENet): http://publiservice.tbs-sct.gc.ca/
A further bit of news, for BC members, on Representation agreements, which
are to be required with any new Power of Attorney documents, created after
5 Sep, 2000.
I have been advised by a Victoria practicing lawyer that the BC Gov't has
delayed, for one year, the implimentation date, of 5 September, 2000.
For more info on subjects like the status of the court case against the
Federal Gov't, contesting the Gov't's taking $30 Billion out of our pension
fund, go to our FSNA website at: